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this evening, thank you for being with us. let not your heart be troubled you can the news continues, greta's standing by to go on the record, we'll see you tomorrow night, greta, take it away. tonight, keith alexander has a message for the american people. trust us. but should you? >> i think the president leads in two fashions, his legal authority by being elected, but you also need moral authority, and i think this constellation of scandals really he's losing his moral authority to lead the nation. >> the president is bankrupt on the trust factor, people are appalled at what's been going on in government, why should they trust them, when we know there's cape ability for hacking, whether it's our e-mails or phone calls, why should we trust them? >> the nsa leak is one of the many scandals that have been taken its toll on president obama's approval rating.
it bell 8 points in one month. >> we have not seen this kind of intense evidence of obama losing approval, popularity and support. >> the man overseeing our top secret surveillance program takes center stage on capitol hill. >> we're getting a rare glimpse into one of the most secretive agencies in the federal government. >> that's programs are critical to the intelligence community's ability to protect our nation and ally's security. they assist the intelligence community efforts to connect the dots. >> what's next for mr. snowden we can expect? >> justice. >> the debate is not about the person or the leaker, it's not about the national intelligence director lying. it's really about whether or not your private record when someone else holds them, whether you should have privacy. >> we still need secrets in the united states. if we're going to protect
americans, our national security apparatus still needs to keep secrets about how we do things, so the disclosure as you heard today has been devastating to that end. so this was just a result. this was clean up on aisle 9. >> karl rove joined us. nice to see you, kyle. >> the poll, the cnn poll where the correct is down eight points in one month, i assume that to be within the margin of error, relatively accurate, and a very bad sign. >> his job approval is now the lowest since october 2011. and more damaging honest and trustworthy, 49% say he's honest and trustworthy, 50% say he's not. that's the lowest of his time in office. the time he was sworn in, he was 74-23. so he's -- the calendar's worked against him, all three of these candles coming together as they
have, plus the anemic economy have undermined people's confidence in his credibility and integrity. 45 approve, 57 disapprove. the lowest, 34/64, the previous low was in august of 2011. strong leader, 52-48. it's the lowest since january 2012. and the lowest of his entire term was 48-52. managing the government effective i lrks 47-53, the lowest since september 2011, and not a typical politician, lowest in office. when he came into office, it was 63-36. >> i suppose his trip overseas, he had to go to the g-8, it does have the appearance of getting out of dodge. he doesn't realize all these numbers are sinking in, he needs to talk to us, he needs to come back to talk to the american people.
bad timing, though. >> the g-8 from his perspective was at an unfortunate time. this has all been happening, and he squandered the weeks leading into this, we've known about the -- some of these things for going on three and four and five weeks, benghazi obviously longer than that, the irs scandal, the ap records, the leaks and these things have been out there for anywhere from a week to ten days to several weeks to almost a month. before he left the country he squandered it by not stepping forward, particularly on the nsa and being heard from in a powerful fashion. now he's going to elongate the trip, he has to go to the g 8, it's a meeting he cannot avoid, it's important he is there. remember, this is the -- this is what he did in the summer of 2012 as a candidate -- >> 2008. >> excuse me. he went to germany, had the huge rock concert at the brandenburg
gate. he had a huge crowd, i'm not sure this is a useful venue for whom he needs to be talking to now about. >> even worse, it's less than 90,000, we said he only had 40,000 this time. even in europe, they don't like him. he has to get 90 plus or he's got that pr to deal with. i tell you what i thought was very significant is that when there was a discussion about syria, and the use of chemical weapons, he dispatched one of his underlings to come out and talk to the american people rather than the commander in chief, i thought to myself, why isn't he talking to us? >> well, look, this is a great mistake, because first of all, this is an issue which he needs the support of the american people to act. he can act unilaterally as the president of the united states, but if he wants support he has to explain it. this was not the secretary of the state, this was not even the national security adviser, it
wasn't the deputy national security adviser. it was one level under that, the press guy. he's got ben roads, he's got four or five people on the same level with him, who have subject matter experience. he's the guy that tries to figure out how to put these things in the best spin possible. it doesn't send a message of substance, it doesn't send a message of significance when you have the press guy go out and try to explain the big question of policy change like this. >> it would be different if we were renaming a post office, but something so important as to whether or not the american people are going to send arms or no arms, and he has senator mccain sort of nipping at his heels and he even has president clinton making the cracks the night before about not doing something. it seems to unpresidential at a time when he wants to be
presidential. >> you sent the president out to enunciate the change in policy and defended the american people. why do we think support has dropped over the last several years, despite increasing success. the president has not gone out, explained the stakes, explained the process, explained the challenges, and shot straight with the american people. why should we expect the person people to rally around a new policy in syria, when the president doesn't go out and explain it and defend it himself. >> president obama supporters are now fed up with the president, claiming he ditched the 2008 campaign promise. charlie rose asking president obama about the wide reaching snooping programs. >> should this be transparent in some way? >> it is. that's why we set up the fisa court. the whole point of my concern before i was president. people say, obama was this raving liberal before. now he's dick cheney.
>> and charlie rose also telling president obama that some people are calling him bush-cheney like. >> president bush? >> what did i say? >> president obama. >> he's now saying this nsa program has many people upset about the country, that it is transparent. a secret program, can it ever be trans parent? >> no, and we don't want it to be completely trans parent. we don't want the enemy to know all the sources we garner intelligence from. now that this has come out, he has a difficult job to do, he should have done it already. which is figure out what he's willing to say on the record about it publicly. it's not transparent. can i correct two other things? >> yes. >> he did not set up the fisa court. he said that's why we set up the fisa court, leaving the impression that it happened on
his watch. >> 1978. >> and there were amendments in part of the patriot act and amendments in 2007, 2008, but the idea that -- >> are you thinking the royal we, the american people. i heard that too, and thought, does he mean he set it up? >> he's used to using the we. >> i think many people criticize him for. >> president obama should not have drawn him into the conversation, if he's really focused on dick cheney, he should have for vice president with john kerry in 2004 rather than running for the united states senate. it was beneath the president to sort of reach out there and grab dick cheney and say, i'm not dick cheney. he's right, he's not dick cheney. he had the guts to stand up and defend the national security
programs then going on a talk radio program, a tv talk program as he fled the country for the g-8 meeting, yeah, he's not dick cheney, dick cheney understood how important this was, and offered himself as a defender of the program, which was begun during the bush years and continued under president obama. >> it gave the appearance that the president is not so engaged. and i would hope that -- >> he's almost like a campaigner, not a commander in chief. >> i would like to see him bring the nsa over to the white house and talk to them. at least we have a photo shop shot of that happening. maybe a conversation with clapper, after he made that statement before the senate, in which he -- it was a false statement of senator wyden's question. i would like to see that, so i can see the president is in charge. >> this is a broader problem, the problem of disengaged and not at the top of their game. we saw it withholder, who misled the congress, we saw it with the president himself, who went out and said, if these things
happened at the irs, i'm upset when they knew they'd happen. we already had the irs admit they happened. we're seeing it constantly. in the handling of the nsa matter and the handling of the syria policy. the president has to be hands on and the leader and has to be engaged and this guy doesn't appear to be so. >> it was bad timing. >> look, i'm sympathetic to that too, you don't control all of your calendar. he has to go to the g-8, you have to make use of the days leading into the g-8, you have to ask yourself a serious question, do i want to take extra time out to go speak to germany, when we have so many things going on on the home front i need to be engaged in. we have a president who's disengaged, aloof, and he's that way in his relationship with the members of congress, republican and democratic, he's that way with world leaders, and i think
unfortunately, he's also that way with his job, the very fundamentals of the job, and we saw it. we saw it on 9/11 last year, when we -- our ambassador is being murdered in libya, and it's astonishing me he didn't pick up the phone when he learned of the attack, and call the libyan president and say, our people are under attack, you have the responsible ability to protect them, what are you doing. the next morning is the first time he talked to him. not only about the attack on 9/11, but the first time he talked to the president of libya since he took office months before. it shocked me, the leader of a new country like that, the day he got sworn in, the president would call him, say thanks, congratulations, looking forward to seeing you when you're in new york. >> let me ask you about bill ayers, he just blasted president obama over the drone program. take a look at what ayers told real clear politics. >> do you think barack obama should be put on trial for war
crimes? >> absolutely. every president in this century should be put on trial. every one of them. >> for war crimes? >> absolutely. >> in the hague? >> absolutely. >> every one of them goes into office, an office dripping with blood, and then adds to it. and, yes, i think these are war crimes, they're acts of dror. >> with friends like, he's asking for president obama and other presidents to be put on trial for war crimes. >> for a man who attempted to kill americans on american soil, the idea of suggesting he has any moral authority to lecture us is beyond contempt. beneath contempt. bill ayers should have been prosecuted, thrown in jail. he should have been held responsible for his attempts to kill americans. this is the laughable looneyness of the far left that president obama, president bush and president clinton should be brought before the hague. >> president obama is trying to put distance between himself and
bill ayers. >> he was a friend of bill ayers before he wasn't. and bill played an interest cat role in helping him get his start. he had to know of his record as a domestic terrorist in the 1970s and 1960s, why do we even pay attention to bill ayers. if we can't put him in prison, why do we give him the courtesy of paying attention to him. >> i guess it's sort of akin to me, having him lecture us on prosecutions. it's a little bit like president putin, ex-kgb -- i have real questions about our nsa policy, it's the whole idea, the minute he starts questioning about privacy, i become suspicious. >> the former kgb agent who heads a totalitarian police state. he's got both domestic and international intelligence
services that would scare the heck out of anybody if they knew what was going on. >> what does the president do? the president has all these scandals, he's been out of the country, he's even got bill ayers saying something stupid about him, what does he do? >> he's got to do what he can, to restore credibility because look, once you begin to slide on this and i have deja vu all over again. in 2004, the democrats began a concerted effort to say that bush lied about iraq, we didn't respond appropriately by the fall of 2005, the fall of our -- >> lie about the weapons of mass destruction or something else. >> there weren't weapons of mass destruction, i have to admit that. >> i do, but also, the fact is, he didn't lie, we thought they had him, we found that they did have the infrastructure in place to re-create these programs. he was diverting little rally tens of millions of dollars a year in order to keep together the base of technicians and facilities to do it, we didn't find the active weapons.
>> anyway -- in the fall of 2005, we had inadequately responded to it, it had taken hold and damaged the president's credibility. president obama will have the same kind of outcome if he has an inappropriate or ineffective response to this, we need our president, particularly when our economy is in a weak position, when we have this huge deficit problem, we have to attacken tig entitlements. unless he does something, this slide will continue. when this poll came out that had these numbers -- >> bad numbers. >> my first reaction was, that's one poll. since then i've talked to a number of pollsters, had dinner tonight with a pollster, who said he had been in two states doing polls where they've gone in in may and june, and the president's numbers had declined similar to these numbers in two different parts of the country. >> he has a lot of thank yous to do on his flight back from germany. >> carl, thanks. always nice to see you.
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since 911. >> nsa director general keith alexander staunchly defending the government's spying programs. we could find out about the 50 foiled terror plots. nice to see you, sir. >> good morning, good to be here. >> whatever it is. >> edward snowden, do you think he got any help? >> we don't know yet. the only thing that concerns us is the fact that he's in china right now, his girlfriend worked in china at one time. we still don't know. i know he's alleging he turned his back on his own country. he could cost lives of americans, allies based on what he did. he is not a hero. >> is it a contractor so young would have access to so much. is it basically our quality control in -- for our contractors that they're not looking at who they're hiring, who they're giving access too? >> all contractors have to go through the same clearance process that anybody who works in the government that has a
clearance. have you close to 1,000 technical people, their job is to keep the equipment moving. if they get data, input the data, they're usually not looking for substance. he was able to get this information, and for whatever reason he decided to use it to turn on his country. it could really hurt our can't. >> you admit you have more information on what goes on than i do. >> on the intel committee, we're there to oversee the intelligence committee, and get classified information, so that information does not go to our enemies. >> that brings me to my next question. basically our government is telling us now, trust us. that's basically what -- and we have so much going on in this country, whether it's the irs targeting or money being spent, $50 million for two years of conferences by the irs, all those things, the american people are learning about this program. why should we trust us. >> let's talk about that, that's a great question. the first thing is that we're
not the irs, and we're not other programs. we are a country that has laws. in the intelligence community we -- anyone who takes the oath that they will not violate the oath of giving classified information out, they do that, that breaks the law. >> snowden. >> now, checks and balances. we have a great country. our forefathers created this great system of checks and balances, the administration, congress and the courts. all three have a role in this checks and balance in what we're talking about. we had a serious situation that occurred where we lost 3,000 lives in new york. and, you know, if this program was in place at that time, you can't go back and say exactly what would have happened, but general alexander said today, there was a possibility and a good possibility we might have been able to detect those terrorists and what they were doing. how does the system work, the first thing is -- >> can i ask you a question. we have the situation the tsarnaev brothers in boston. the fbi was tipped off by the
russians, you better check this out, and it would seem to me that would be a right place to go in and look at the tsarnaev brothers and see if they had any -- are they dealing with islamic extremists at all on their computers or telephones, are they going on their computers and looking at how to make bombs or anything like that? we missed that one, that undermines -- makes it, sort of undermines the trust factor that we catch these people when we had a tip. >> if i were not a member of congress and we specialized and i specialized in national security and intelligence. if i were not working here, and all of a sudden i hear every media station that the united states government is listening to your phone calls and the united states government is overseeing what you do. that's not the facts. i hope to tell you the facts and the law. the bottom line is, this program we're talking about, the people -- that's not the case at all. >> when you're trying to find
terrorists and -- an example would be, the intelligence community is always trying to find a needle in a haystack. to find a needle in the haystack, you have to have the haystack there, this haystack if we have information about a terrorist making a contact, somewhere in the united states then we have the ability to go into this haystack and the ability to pick out two things, a phone number and a length of call. nobody's name is there and there's no address or any issue like that. none of that that would be coming out that would protect -- >> you get a lead? >> well, you get a lead. what do you do when you get the lead is it. >> after you get the lead, you then, it looks like it might be something, the nsa turns that over to the fbi, that's domestic, the nsa does not have jurisdiction. >> the fbi -- >> investigates, but they also go to the court. they want to go into this haystack, which people are
saying we're violating constitutional rights which we're not. in which the law says we're not. the supreme court says we're not violating that one. talking about metadata, if we find information, we can take it to the next level with the oversite of the court. the court -- people say this about the courts, how can the courts approve so many of these issues, the court in this situation is in the oversight capacity as we are in the intelligence committee. we oversee nsa, cia, that's part of our role. what the courts do here, if it looks like there could be a situation with a terrorist attack or someone trying to do harm to our country. once that occurs, then the nsa or the intelligence committee gives that information to the court -- they study it, they look at it, and they -- it will come back to the nsa and say, we don't like this, you need to do this, you need to do that, they go up and give that -- when the nsa finally goes to the
intelligence community to ask for this authorization, to do what they need to do, at that point the courts usually approve it, because it's already been approved in a preliminary level. >> we have a lot to talk about, come back again. this is a complicated topic, but you just laid it out. as always, nice to see you. >> nice to see you. coming up, you may want to talk oversight committee. they're at each oes's throats. what aline ya cummings did to set off darrell issa. chris christie's political advisers are gasping. why do you think so? you know throughout history,
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an interview has just been released. nice to see you, rick. >> we have this big fat transcript that congressman cummings has released. does it say anything? >> there are some interesting things in there. the most important is the way the first tea party cases came to him, bottom up. there were people below him who said, this is interesting, should we take a look at it. as owe posed to coming top down. as opposed from the white house. none of that happened. it's only one of the officials interviewed. it does undercut those who are saying it started at the white house. >> i thought chairman issa only got bits and pieces, that was unfair. now we have this transcript with congressman cummings, he's not
releasing all the data. only the pieces he wanted to relea release. >> i personally feel like, put it all out there. i think from chairman issa's perspective, if he's going to put out little pieces of this along the way. he has to prepare mr. cummings to put out the full transcript. >> we're being played by congressman issa, now we're being played by congressman cummings, he releases one transcript, not all of them. >> now you have the chairman accusing him of trying to sink the whole situation. you have on this -- this is the oversite committee, the primary investigative committee in congress, they're looking at this very hot button issue that has bipartisan outrage. you hope the two men could at least get along. they sit up there next to each other, they seem to like each other. these letters are really something. >> it is amazing, though, season the it? >> they are so nice to each other at these hearings, so polite, and then they fire off these horrible letters, and we
have this sub drama where the media's being played with these bits and pieces. i must admit, i'm grateful to have the bits and pieces. >> they serve a purpose. >> their purpose? >> certainly, i think an investigative purpose as well. it keeps us in the news, keeps the headlines out there, i understand that, i think that we've seen both sides use what they've had in this, in terms of the information gathered so far. i understand if he said nothing should be out there, we have to investigate this, and get it right. both sides are using pieces of this. >> we see the rest of the transcripts on this, see the missing link on this, someone tieing this directly saying, i was told to do this by this person in washington. by this person in the white house, that hasn't happened, it may not happen, it may never exist, that to me is the turn that makes this story get big again. >> i think what's so weird is the then director of the irs as part of this phony station, i
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enough? senator rand paul joins us. nice to see you, senator. >> nice to see you, greta. >> are you satisfied with the response by the general? >> well, i think your questioning gets to the crux of the problem. is the court order constitutional? is it constitutional for the court to take records without the permission of the individual, without a judge's warrant targeted toward an individual? my reading of the fourth amendment is, our person and our things are ours and only a judicial warrant on probable cause can take them. now, some of the courts, for years have said, if you give your records to a bank or a phone company, they're no longer yours, i disagree with those decisions, and i think they need to be revisited, particularly in this digital age. so technically, yes, they did get a court order. technically, yes, some people in congress approved of this, but really wasn't widespread and they also lied to congress and said they weren't taking lots of
millions of bits of americans information. turns out they were taking billions of phone call records on a daily basis. so them lying to us has really developed a credibility gap on our part. >> before we get to the credibility gap, i'm curious, are you saying that the supreme court can be wrong on the constitution? or are they the last word and we have to accept it as gospel? >> well, you know, i think most of us believe scott was wrong, i think most of us believe plesy versus ferguson was wrong. we do overturn things. i have always felt that the records that you have when they're being held by a third party are still your records, still your papers and they deserve the fourth amendment protection. >> you mentioned the line to congress, i assume what you meant specifically, correct me
if i'm wrong is james clapper's response to senator wyden's questions in march. should he resign? if he doesn't resign, should the president fire him? if the president doesn't fire him, what's the statement to us? >> well, the thing is, the president's really hurting in a big way right now. i think he's losing th moral authority to lead the nation. because we had the irs scandal, then he targeted fox reporters and ap reporters, the benghazi investigation no one was fired, and now we have this snooping where his director of national intelligence looks at the senate and says i'm not keeping or collecting any americans' information and it turns out it was a bold face lie. i don't know how he can regain his credibility when he lied outright to congress and it's frankly against the law. i think we need a new director of national intelligence, and i think the longer we keep him on board, the longer the president keeps him on board, the more
it's going to sap the president's moral authority. >> two points, one is that you have been quoted as calling edward snowden similar to a civil disobedient and even akin to martin luther king. the second thing is, vice president dick cheney has come out in disagreement with you about this whole surveillance, how do you respond to both of those? >> i think when you see there have been polls as late as this week, asking the american people what they think, the vast majority of the people agree with me, the nsa's gone too far, the president's gone too far, and we have a right to privacy. if you polled republicans, 60% agree with me the government has gone too far. as far as weather edward snow den is a hero or whether he's a scoundrel, history's going to decide that, i think he's risked his future and his career over something that is a belief. a belief that our records are protected and we do have a right to privacy.
so you can see how many might judge that as being noble to risk anything you have for something you believe in. of he thorough who wouldn't pay $1. not because the dollar wasn't too much, but because he didn't believe in the fugitive slave law. i think there are ways to look at what he did, and say this isn't a noble thing he tried to do. i think you can also say, well, gosh, if he revealed secrets that got somebody hurt, that would be bad, the way i like to divide this issue, if he had released the computer code that showed how we track people who would attack us, that i think would be a betrayal of the country. he simply released information about a program that had been reported by the new york times that we came back to congress on and congress did vote, i didn't approve of it, but the majority of congress did vote to allow this authority to occur. i'm not sure you could say it was exactly a secret. the aclu had it on our website that we were going through billions of phone calls before
this happened. so i don't think he endangered anyone, and i think he was trying to do what he felt was right and consistent with the constitution. >> and the vice president disagreeing with you? >> it wouldn't be the first time he made a mistake. >> all right. now, the new republic had you on the cover, had you crossing your fingers, and then you've come back in your facebook page and proven a smackdown back at new republic, what's going on between you and the new republic? >> we actually just thought it was kind of funny. and, you know, they wanted to insult me, obviously, but we thought it was funny, we're doing a poll to ask how we should respond, and why did i have my fingers crossed? was it because i was saying i love the new republic and that was maybe not the truth? or did i trust the president and maybe that wasn't the truth? so our people are having a lot of fun with coming up with reasons why my fingers might have been crossed. >> does it ever get under your
skin, everybody gets jabbed a little bit, we in the media get jabbed. >> most of the time i take it well. i think if it's a personal attack on my character. if someone wants to accuse me of judging people not according to their qualities and say i would judge people in any other way, that's very hurtful. if they want to come after my family, that's universitiful. if people want to make fun of me or do anything according to issues or say they oppose me, i think i have thick skin. >> senator, thank you. always nice to see you, sir. >> thanks, greta. straight ahead, if you thought this video was politically dangerous, well, you haven't seen anything. governor chris christie just got himself in big political trouble. that's next. we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us. we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed much
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glass to cover windows and fighter jets to protect the president, joe biden gets a pair of running shoes and a can of pepper spray. you're on your own. >> greta: g why he says what mr. snowden is going through is because of what he went through. i am andrea tan tar as, with bob beckel, dana perino, greg gutfeld, eric bolling. this is "the five." the obama administration kicks into overdrive to quiet the outcry over its spying agenda. in an interview that aired last night, the president broke his silence of more than a week to discuss the controversy. here he is defending the secret surveillance program. >> if you are a u.s. person, the nsa cannot listen to your telephone calls unless they, and usually it wouldn't be they, it would be the